I have 3 children I sometimes spank I sometimes lecture. We dont believe if you get rid of all the sin in your life youll be a completely healthy person. 27 What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. LOL. Scripture is Good! No one leaves on good terms unfortunately. If your pastor begins his sermon by reading one verse than yells and pounds the pulpit for the next 30 minutes, my current pastor, at Balsam Street Christian Church, doesnt do any of the two as he doesnt use the pulpit to preach his sermons anyways. Mental health issues are just another health issue people have. If you believe that going to (or sending your child to) a college thats not approved by the IFB (e.g., Bob Jones University, Pensacola Bible College, Baptist Bible College, Hyles Anderson College, Tennessee Temple University) will cause you (or your child) to become worldly or will provide an undue worldly influence on you (or your child), you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 29. Hmmmmm interesting.I will bash ifb, while I mix truth and error interesting.. Nice going Steve I believe being separate is doing what God has commanded you to do. They are usually so full of themselves, because they went straight from salvation to knowledge, and Peter says to add to your faith virtue, and THEN go to knowledge, 2 Peter 1:5. The end of November we were going to break up because of physical abuse so instead sought counseling for our pastor and his wife. I can tolerate the other bits that go over board as long I am believing the word and get correct non compromising bible teaching. Seeing 2 brothers in Christ debase a conversation (be it one or both parties) to snide remarks, tasteless jabs, and condescension as a form or response, makes us all look bad. (Hello to all my fellow-tithers!!!) Read one thing, make a judgment that Im just bitter and move on. You wont go in yourselves, and you dont let others enter either. 19 How blind! If we must consider these points as a point for consideration, these ought to be a source form the Bible. I cant stand when preachers pound the pulpits because its distracting and irritating for me though I am not against preachers yelling as long as they dont yell too loud. If you believe that God cant use a divorced man and pull out your Scofield Bible to show why, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 39. I dont believe some of the Catholic doctrine is true, but all have belief in things they believe and unbelief in things they dont believe. We believe that eternal life is the present possession of every believer (John 6:37-40, 10:27-30; Romans 8:1, 38-39; I Corinthians 1:4-8; I Peter 1:4-5; Jude 1, 2). If you feel compelled to go door to door witnessing (or were compelled to visit a nursing home as a teen), you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 28. You consider it a personal failure if you are not able to find a verse within ten seconds, and secretly proud if you are able to find it right away. They had made an idol out of church attendance. Back then, you had to wear your Sunday best. 55. So, are you happy about that, or wanting to change? Yes, I have countless emails and comments from people who were ready to give up on their faith until they read this site and realized that the IFB was in error not them. Why do people think that I dont have time to pray for loved ones simply because I have this site up? I did read it but I still dont understand their beliefs on it.. Pastor preaches against smoking because it is bad for the body My preacher never preaches that though there are very few people at my current church that smoke. For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Jesus will save you if you believe in your heart that he was raised from the dead and admit out loud that Jesus is your lord. I wish you had broken up your last paragraph into multiple paragraph everything runs together. For you shut the door of the Kingdom of Heaven in peoples faces. My ministry isnt to the lost, its to help heal those whove been hurt by the IFB. If you believe that all Catholics are going to hell, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 35. Baptism means that a believer is bodily immersed in water followed by being raised up God is the only one who can forgive mans sins. If one gives because they are forced, or constrained TO GIVE, that giving does not come from the heart, and God does not honor that kind of giving. Many of those things actually do go on at IFB churches, but several of those things are Biblical. I dare say it would be the one you enjoy making fun of. Despite having overcome drug addiction, trouble controlling my drinking, and a whole lot of other issues, my church never told me to leave, never told me to come back when I was better, never scolded me. 46. Lots of people at the church stoped what they were doing to attend. Also, #55 there has only been and will ever only be one perfect person. Our path is narrow, must we fight amongst each other while we walk it? Hypocrites! On this Wikipedia the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title. Independent Fundamental Baptist or Bible-Believing Baptist) are a particularly cranky fundamentalist branch of unaffiliated We believe that the strict, literal interpretation of the Bible makes us Baptists. No, because thats not Gods will. The Trinity: Southern Baptists believe in only one God who reveals himself as God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. By the way Jason, if you think theres something spiritual about tolerating abuse, I feel sorry for you. It seems most on here have a issue with IFB churches. [8], The New IFB website states that it is not a denomination and that New IFB pastors have differing views over minor theological issues. I only hope that you will see it before too long. We did 2 weeks of counseling and got married at the end of our last session. Basically he was just marketing for his college. Please get away from the IFB as far as you can, as fast as you can. Just please be sure that your judging is fair. Not of works, lest any man should boast. You ALWAYS have your KJV Bible with you at church, and turn to numerous verses each sermon. anything that even remotely appears to be worldly means that you arent being separate, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 44. Many on here were saved at a IFB church. The IFB is the one who is hurting the cause of Christ, just like the Pharisees did. If you believe that the IFB isnt a denomination because they are Independent, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 37. 3 So practice and obey whatever they tell you, but dont follow their example. Our only Head is the Lord Jesus Christ and our only headquarters is heaven. 2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. The church never knew our problems but god did. Belief number 51 is absolutely wrong. No, thats silly! I know the answers now. I am pretty conservative, but find some of this stuff outright ridiculous! I aint got any place to judge anyone because in all honesty i have messed up in life a lot. Also, we lived in a free Appartement with food stamps. If that is the case, you might as well go out and live like hell, because you are not interested in what God says anyway. My husband sinned, and wanted forgiveness. I agree some are or at least seem to be what most consider legalistic. If you believe that the wine referred to in the Bible is nothing more than fruit of the vine (AKA grape juice), you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 26. Everyone has sent in their life. I dont think it applies to all IFB churches, the ones I grew up in didnt do some of these, but the rest definitely apply. You feel forced to go door to door preaching No general opinion on this since door to door preaching within the IFB is very similar to that of the Jehovahs Witnesses though we should share the gospel to others, especially to those who dont have Christ in their lives. The IFB ostracizes people when they leave. lm 8:4-9; Colossians 3:9-11). If you pray using KJV language (thee, though, ye, etc. The New Independent Fundamental Baptist (New IFB) movement is a loose network of independent churches concentrated in the U.S. connected by their Believers will be caught up to be with the Lord prior to the seven years of tribulation, and at the end of the tribulation Christ will return with His saints to establish His thousand-year reign on the earth (I Thessalonians 4:13-18; Titus 2:13; I Thessalonians 1:10; Revelation 3:10; Zechariah 14:4-11; Revelation 19:11-16, 20:1-6; Psalm 89:3-4). Marriage for two people that want to make a life together is biblical. On their arms they wear extra wide prayer boxes with Scripture verses inside, and they wear robes with extra long tassels. 4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? If your church sings Just As I Am at the end of every service We sing that song once in a while since its a good invitational song. Many of these, yes are extreme, be we also need to not be compromising in some areas. We believe that speaking in tongues was never the common or necessary sign of the baptism or filling of the Holy Spirit and that ultimate deliverance of the body from sickness or death awaits the consummation of our salvation in the resurrection, though God frequently chooses to answer the prayer of believers for physical healing. If the people in your church are truly humble, forgive easily, and believe that everyone is worthy of grace, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. New Independent Fundamentalist Baptist churches (also known as the New IFB) or officially the New Independent Fundamental Baptist Movement are an association of conservative, King James Only, independent Baptist churches. We only care when we see new faces in the church, whether guests or new members. Simply not true. operating or proceeding inconspicuously but with grave effect. I get the vibe that you were alienate by IFB movement at some point, as were a lot of us, but dont try to use that as an excuse to go on a crusade against fellow believers. THE PARABLE IS NOT A GUIDE NOR DID JESUS SAY THAT ITS A MAP ON HOW TO DEAL with a wayward child!! Same position regarding IFB belief 29. The verses you quoted are taken out of context and dont mean what you imply them to mean. God divorced Israel but Not judah..Jesus is the Lion of the tribe of WHAT?? How about shortchanging the Lord out of 20 minutes of Sunday service time worship for game show gimmickry hype to boost attendance? Maybe you had a bad experience or many years of bad experiences at an IFB church, but that will never excuse you from bad mouthing any of Gods people or the many IFB churches the Lord uses to spread His word or send missionaries to the remotest parts of the world to seek those who are lost. Their testimony is great Im sure they won more people to the lord than you. We had no money.. WebHeartland Baptist Bible College is unique. If you believe that declining to spank your child is the equivalent to spoiling him/her, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist However, it wasnt Baptists that ordained him and of the IFB folks I know, they are lukewarm to the Scofield bible. But, all teasing aside, the author and other commentators sound very bitter and unhappy so I honestly feel badly for you. God Bless. Was so funny reading it, one thing that struck me is if an outsider were to read it theyd be incredulous, wondering how we stuck with it for so long. 30 Then you say, If we had lived in the days of our ancestors, we would never have joined them in killing the prophets.. If you want a discussion ask for one. G.F.F. 7 They love to receive respectful greetings as they walk in the marketplaces, and to be called Rabbi.. See if you recognize any. Gods people are the Jews.. from Jew-dajudah. Israel was the prodical.. judah is the elder son that was jealous of israel.. Study The prodigal son and the two houses of Israel. 1. WebBaptist beliefs are seen as belonging to three parties: General Baptists who uphold Arminian soteriology, Particular Baptists who uphold Calvinist soteriology, and Independent Baptists, who might embrace a strict version of either Arminianism or Calvinism, but are most notable for their fundamentalist positions on Biblical I understand others dont like hearing God gave inspiration to the Kjv, but its true. If they are saved , I dare say they regret the day they walked into the very church you enjoy making fun of. If you refuse to eat at a restaurant because they serve alcoholic beverages, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 27. N/A Ive used tattoos but not permanent ones. We should teach our children of who Jesus is and how we should live a holy or Christian life. I will never forget that day that I sat in my pastors car and he prayed with me, he didnt know what was happening in my life, but he knew I needed someone to pray with and I could see it in his eyes. He wasnt saying that spanking is right or wrong, but that definitely extreme discipline and beating kids is not what the Bible teaches. Scofield Bible!!!! For you are like whitewashed tombsbeautiful on the outside but filled on the inside with dead peoples bones and all sorts of impurity. Anderson, Fannin and Shelley traded accusations of financial wrongdoing and running a cult. The membership Thats The Holy Spirit speaking to me. People are people and free to choose their own way. Matthew 6:14-15 N/A The ones that do apply, I dont see a problem with (ie, we do have a track rack and we do have a van that picks up from surrounding neighborhoods and I do enjoy attending church 3 times a week and would enjoy more if possible.) Would the lost or questioning feel that even if someone is attacking your comments, that youre setting an example that they could adopt? (II Corinthians 12:12; I Corinthians 13:8; Hebrews 2:3-4; Mark 16:17-20; I Corinthians 1:22, 14:21-22). The sacredness of human personality is evident in that God created man in His own image and is mindful of him, and in that Christ died for man; therefore every individual possesses dignity and is worthy of respect and Christian love. For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: If you believe that you can tell who the good Christians are and who the bad Christians are by looking at the fruit in their lives, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 51. What a stupid thing to say. Most people find it hard to swallow that anyone really thinks that way at all. The pastor explained forgiveness and that Jesus has already forgiven his sin on the cross and if I choose to not forgive than I am believing in my heart Jesus didnt die for his sin. I grew up in a IFB school and then university, so I can totally relate. The home, the church, and the state are equal and sovereign in their respective Biblically assigned spheres of responsibility under God. If your church allows no outside group of singers to perform at your church for fear that not all of their individual theologies line up with the churchs you might be an independent fundamental Baptist. The pew hymnal is inspired by God While I favor hymns but I wouldnt necessarily say that because even though I do use the hymnal, most people at the church I go to now sing from the Power Point. What your pastor told you is extremely dangerous and silly. You are quick to throw in a jab about how much you dislike them, but cannot tolerate anyone saying different. 37. Theres a place to rebuke abusive religious practices. If you question if youre truly saved or not when youre having trouble accepting that giviing 10% of your gross income is a direct commandment for all Christians and if you dont give it, youre under a curse. you DVR the Superbowl (or watch sport center on your phone in the vestibule) because you cant miss church. The True Church: The doctrine of a believer's church is a key belief in Baptist life. Gospel Light Baptist Church, Albany, Georgia. There are independent Reformed/Calvinist Baptists, and independent Arminian Get our Question of the Week delivered right to your inbox! If you think that the KJV is inspired, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 2. Reading any other version outside of the King James Version is sin same concern as I mentioned topic 1 Wow, nice list. Its NOT ABOUT US! He that loveth his wife loveth himself. "[3], The New IFB was formed by Anderson and other Baptist pastors in 2017 in an attempt to revive what they perceived older independent Baptist churches once represented. The New Independent Fundamental Baptist network, most prominently associated with anti-LGBTQ pastor Steven Anderson, appears to be in turmoil as infighting again erupts, this time between Anderson and fellow pastors in the network. 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If your not getting a lot out of your bible read I would recommend a switch to Kjv and to define any word you dont know Slow down reading and meditate on what your reading dont read as a duty each day but as a searching for fellowship each day. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. If you believe that someone who smokes, drinks, parties, dances, listens to secular music, listens to Christian contemporary music, etc. We believe raising your hands during warship is appropriate, but the Bible specifically says to bow the head 2 Chronicles 20:18. We believe that the New Testament church is a local assembly of baptized believers who have voluntarily joined themselves toge therto carry out the Great Commission. Webindependent Baptist, to place in the hands of members of independent Baptist churches to help them to know the meaning of church membership and to better understand the doctrines and polity of Baptists, and particularly the reasons why we are independent Baptists and not affiliated with one of the various and sundry organizations among 31. This is simply an attempt to bring some humor to the blog for the readers enjoyment. Instead of reprimanding me why dont you pray for the lost? Abortion is murder. Teaching there is any unforgivable sin besides the sin of unbelief in Jesus Christ is not biblical. Great job adding a bit of levity! Pastor and his wife did pay for the reception, photography, and shower. Dont throw your pearls to pigs! We believe that a Fundamentalist is defined by their adherence to orthodox theology, orthodox methodology, and will only fellowship with those who do the same. I did learn a lot. insidious I like that word. They simply do not know and probably lack the ability to do the research, but Cyril I. Scofield was a Confederate soldier who left his wife and two children and later remarried another woman. Should we stay living together with our baby in fornication? I can count on one hand the number of IFBs whove asked for a discussion instead of attacking me. The New IFB began with Steven Anderson of Faithful Word Baptist Church in response to perceived liberalism in other independent Baptist churches. Since God looks at Jesus to forgive Ill look at Jesus also to forgive. Anybody who opposes the IFB teaching is bitter Cant say that because anybody who opposes BIBLICAL teaching is spiritually blind because they dont know the truth. I was told that I could not work in one of my passionate ministries, infant, toddler, and 3-4 year olds because of something I did in my past 14 years ago and pastor told me I have to prove myself first. Come and join. Jesus says that if you love Him, that you will keep His words.. Even though I dont believe the churchs teachings anymore, Im very grateful for the care and support I received from the Baptists growing up. If you party, DO NOT drink. Not all churches are the same and if they are teaching Bible, they do teach about sin, and it should not be to make you feel any constraint towards the pastor to get away from that sin, but to learn to have some personal conviction that their sins need to be addressed, but THEY have to make that decision.