mountain lions in new hampshire

Patrick Tate: Well I've never seen an Easter cougar so I can't say when I've handled these 10 cougars and whatnot. And I saw you cat about four feet long from nose to tail come across from the water across the road and just leap over a six foot perimeter fence in a single bound. You can see two of them at Squam Lakes Natural Science Center in Holderness NH. 44-N Links. But I was riding a mountain bike not far from my house. Peter Biello: Well John thanks very much for the story really appreciate it. The second story window through about 30 feet away from it. And Rick Van de Poll naturalist and founder of ecosystem management consultants of New England. There's never, ever, ever, ever been a documented case of a black mountain lion. Any sense of of whether or not mountain lions are sort of wary of more population dense areas like like the one he was describing Rick. There was no sign of it. We'd love to have you in the queue. As far as I could tell there was a positive DNA sequence coming from the scat sample Patrick. Verifiable pictures recorded by the observing person or a trail camera. Let us know your story and share your photos. Infinite Scroll Enabled. I'm gonna send you a letter that we researched this report and we spoke with those labs and the lab wrote in their letter to us that they could only say that Scott contained white Tea Party fur and that they could not say what deposited the scout because it's far too degraded listeners we'd love to hear from you about your mountain lion sightings if you have seen one or if you if you think you have give us a call we'd love to hear your story 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. Rick van de Poll: Yes. What gets confusing is when you have a large adult animal and a smaller juvenile animal of a different species you can now step start beginning talking about overlapping body weights and sizes. So nowadays we think of this in the Northeast as crazy stuff that people have a mountain lion as a pet. But you won't find evidence of their existence in paw prints in the snow or a deer carcass in a tree. Peter Biello: Hmm. Almost all species disperse greater distances than females. I would say that there's going to be the truth in here somewhere. I'm sorry go ahead you're on the air. So they're scary. Chartered 1973; Member of District 44-H; . M from Tree Hill author series presenting Diane lay back. Which which I think Pat and I have both experienced. I can't. m from a weed family Automotive on store Street in Concord is serving the Concord area families automotive needs since 1995. So for our scientists to do the lumping and whatnot. To date, the Department has not received any verifiable evidence (photographic or DNA)of mountain lions existing in New Hampshire. And you know it's rather interesting because certainly there are those you as a case of mistaken identity or they wanted to see something that perhaps they actually didn't. And I have to use that word allegedly because there is so much dispute about what people see and what they actually see. Incredible sighting and I called him the fish and game and they immediately sent me to a website to look at all the bobcat pictures. Caller: And then there's the Lily Pond Road and then there's a six foot tall fence. Pat ruse and he was sampling doing DNA samples from cats in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan. But along the lines of the conspiracy theories as you mentioned earlier there there was a bit of a sense on behalf of what I'll call the promo online community who felt that fishing gain maybe not even so much in a spoken policy but maybe sort of an unspoken policy did not want to find themselves in a situation where they had to spend money to create a management plan and so forth. Caller: I have yeah. Rick your thoughts. Patrick Tate: So I agree with what Sam said in part that their ability to go undetected for amount of time but ultimately it was detected. The American Lion The Saber tooth Tiger and this was the one that survived. Our guests today Patrick Tate New Hampshire Fish and Game Wildlife biologist Sam Evans Brown host of an HP podcast outside in. I mean that so many of them are false sightings we. From "History of New Hampshire Game and Furbearers" by Helenette Silver, Research Clerk, NH Fish and Game Dept. But if you were to get Western dispersing mountain lions just would just sort of expanding into New Hampshire. Just. So that did it for me. Enable JavaScript by changing your browser options, and then try again. It's good to talk to you. Get your tickets today and one for fifty dollars or six for 150 at NH PR and board. So I think in that story there's there's something for the believers and the nonbelievers and I and you know Mark L. Brock is who is a gentleman with the cougar Network told me this story is evidence that that if they were here we would know about it. There's these animals aren't coming with a map saying oh I want to go here. If you missed part of today's program listen to the exchange. We're gonna talk about sightings in this part of the program as well we'd love to hear your story. And you know all that. The females disperse a shorter range and once they find a vacant home range they stay in that location and live there. And I think this is a really interesting story for a couple of reasons one is that it proves what Pat was saying which that basically from New York state where its traces was really picked up on a game camera around Lake George all the way down to Connecticut there was numerous. Are these big cats back?Subscribe to WMUR on YouTube now for more: http://bit.ly/1lOjX9CGet more Manchester news: http://wmur.comLike us: http://facebook.com. Do cougars live in New England? You know one of the the biggest questions I have about that is it points to how much we don't know and if in fact we don't know enough. No evidence and other states where Mountain lights have turned up. What kind of animal is that. HOLDERNESS, N.H. (AP) Two of the known mountain lions in New Hampshire have spent their 15 years in close proximity to humans. You know I think it's there's a lady Holly Ernst out in California who has done a lot of the genotyping of mountain lions in Northern California the ones that are of course most people have heard about taking down hikers bikers etc. I really really enjoyed listening to this program so thank you all very much. Peter Biello: Yeah. There's no logic for why they'd be listed as an endangered species. Right. This is the exchange. Really appreciate you guys being here as well. Mike Guyton pressure was almost Greyhound like very muscular large back legs on it and the coloration on it was almost an orange brownish orange color and so I stop and I look at this thing in the field and as the animal looks at me the face was very chiseled definitely not a bobcat. For me as a person who's handled many bobcats and looked at many pictures Bobcat the White chin Bobcat right off is what comes out to me and then the black the the roughs on our Bobcats we'll have sometimes have black fringes on them. The big cat has been extinct here since the mid-1800s. There's just one subspecies of North American mountain lion. I can't tell you what you saw but it sounds like a mountain lion. Patrick Tate: So the individuals can say that but for an agency that's based on science and what not to to go off with no evidence and then get into that giant debate and all these other issues and put credibility at risk I don't think that would be a great path to take. But Absence of Evidence Is Not Evidence of Absence, Right? Really appreciate it. There were several sightings in CT over the last few months. Let's talk to Mike in Webster. So the whole media hype about how scary mountain lions are should should go away immediately and that would be that I think the major thrust of educating folks about these casualties vs.. Sam Evans-Brown: Sam go ahead. Rick van de Poll: Well the mountain lion of course has been sort of an enigma in the wildlife suite for years and years. Peter Biello: And Carl before you continue I think Patrick Tate just give me a second. Part II. Thank you very much for that story really appreciate it. Wed love to be part of the first verified sighting. For over 38 years the Saddleback Mountain Lions have offered people a chance to give back to their community. Here she is talking about how to identify a mountain lion. We rely on readers like you to support the local, national, and international coverage on this website. Caller: Hi. Which goes back to the Connecticut Connecticut cat and what not. Well just that I have evidence and it was not it was denied by fishing game at the time and I you know there's I don't need to prove to anybody that I saw one just like some of your callers said okay. Peter Biello: And then it ran away okay. What do you think that. We're going to talk a little bit more about habitat first but then we'll get into sightings. We actually have the largest subspecies of bobcat in the northern part of our state which they can get up to 40 and over 40 pounds which looks like an 80 pound the animal to visually and quite large. All they think it traveled north through Canada up you know crossed across the Great Lakes and then and then down again through New York State. Patrick Tate: So it's very typical. I've had a number of people call up and say I found a scout in the woods and I want it DNA identified. A 140-pound male mountain lion was hit by a car and killed in 2011 in Milford, Connecticut. And that the Florida panther was more closely related to the eastern outline than the western mountain lion was. I hope she's listening and she had spoke to a lot of different people ended up having a couple of sightings of her alone without sort of by accident. Patrick Tate: Nice talk to you too. So I will just say this is a big reason why there have not been confirmed sightings I think is that the evidence required first. Rick van de Poll: Oh yeah absolutely. HOLDERNESS, N.H. (AP) Two of the known mountain lions in New Hampshire have spent their 15 years in close proximity to humans. I would just suggest that in my experience as a reporter covering this covering this issue for a few years at least at what point do we reach a certain critical mass for lack of a better term of accounts where I'm not to suggest that you guys aren't taking this possibility seriously. Do we have native species that could have exhibited this type of behavior leaving leaving a deer carcass up in a tree. So so in 2011 a mountain lion was killed in a car accident in Connecticut a car hit a mountain lion and killed it. nh.gov | privacy policy | accessibility policy Patrick Tate: So Cougar Mountain Lion katama. From involving members in projects as local as cleaning up an area park or as far-reaching as bringing sight to the world's blind, Lions clubs have always . What's interesting about Bobcats is here in the Northeast we have some very large bobcats. By, March 2023 Fund Drive Rules and Regulations, Persons with disabilities who need assistance accessing NHPR's FCC public files, please contact us at publicfile@nhpr.org. To date most of the pictures that have been sent in have been bobcats and other species Ive received pictures of house cats. Seems reasonable! If it's just in the middle of a greenfield you can't prove anything. Peter Biello: Wow. Mark Elbroch doesnt think so. Me Im willing to believe its possible that there are some out there. I have no doubt that there are mountain lion roaming New Hampshire. I mean they're a survivor. Rick van de Poll: Well education is the real important thrust of of what all of us do as biologists and Game Managers and to make sure that a things like what Sam was saying that in spite of what you believe the mountain lions will not eat your children they will not steal your pets from your backyard and they will not necessarily be seen by you unless you're extremely lucky.