Notify me of follow-up comments by email. May be possible to make a single shot but it would be costly. Another Marlin not to miss is the Model 1894 CST, which features a black pistol grip stock and stainless finish. Most of my hearing is already gone, might has well get a couple of high-pressure guns to finish it off, Most of my hearing is already gone, might has well get a couple of high-pressure guns to finish it off. The option for a MAG chamber lets you load published .357 MAXimum loads in the MAGnum case: Henry wisely chose the old, original closed breech barrel chamber with a very short forcing cone, as opposed to the current overly long forcing cone chamber that is essentially the same as a "shot out" barrel used by nearly all other manfacturers. (I bought a Glenfield 30A at a gunshow for $200 about 5 years ago. There is a fine line between hobby & obsession! Bagged in plastic, clean, and well oiled. Somewhere around 7,500 guns were made. Like Chris, Doc, and Tycer said - you've already got the 35 Remington - which is, I believe the question was "does anyone make a Levergun for the 357 Maximum". I can even hunt with both in some neighboring states, and do. It might not be a good reason but thats not what was asked. Looks like AA 1680 is the top powder choice. Regardless of the manufacturer, most reloading books recommend you do not load bullets lighter than 158 grains. The .357 Atomic was just a .357 loaded to higher than standard pressures. If you use 158-grain bullets on game, I highly recommend softpoints over hollowpoints. The original factory loading was a relatively fragile 158-grain JHP similar to those Remington loaded in the .357 Magnum. I was surprised I didnt see any comments about the Henry Big Boy X. I bought this in a .357 mag at BassPro for $800 and it has the side gate for loading. If you want a short-action levergun with similar ballistics, consider: T/Cs Contender pistol was also a natural for this cartridge, and it was a popular chambering. properly aligns and supports the shank of the bullet as it enters the rifling. Even swap. In Stock. Lever actions are a hoot to shoot. The "little but mighty" .357 " Maxie" ! The availability of molds ranging from 180 to 250 grains in both gascheck and plain-base bullets, reasonable recoil, rimmed for headspace, larger bullet to touch the next ring, there are advantages. Just wish the all-weather version didnt have the silly loop lever. Of the 32 models of 357 lever gun they offer, there are precisely zero units currently available for sale. A max charge of 27.0 grains posted roughly 1,875 fps with the Speer 180-grain .35 Remington bullet and shot under 1 MOA in my 14-inch Contender. It came back looking like new. At least you should expect the kind of quality youd get from a Remington bolt gun in the price range. I have been thinking of adding a Henry Big Boy X in .357 to go along with my other lever guns, but Ive heard that .357 can be inconsistent regarding accuracy out of a carbine. Loads for .357 Maximum: (Note: These are near maximum loads, you should use 10% less to start.) My stance is that Lever action rifles are still very relevant in 2020, for all the reasons that people have stated. It was way past the time Henry made a side loading gate Lever action rifle. . Itll still all fit in a small tackle box. 38 Special ammo is cheap and easy to reload for plinking and target practice. The easiest way to get a long gun in .357 Max is in a Handi Rifle and there is plenty written about them in the Max. But after losing popularity due to gas cutting issues, this chambering was eventually dropped by all manufacturers. Probably because the articles title was the 5 best RIFLES, not handguns. 2023 The Arena Media Brands, LLC and respective content providers on this website. This caliber in both the bottle neck and straight wall was a popular "high velocity" for it's day buffalo caliber. (left) vs. .357 Magnum (Right). And, re getting it looked at, yes; thing is, there arent too many smiths in my area who are comfortable working on lever-actions (and the ones that are, I dont trust). They tried fixing it with a (I think it was either titanium or stainless steel insert) but the Jeanie was already out of the bottle and they were dropped. The .357 magnum has never been irrelevant since it made its debut 80 + years ago. Brand: Winchester. Best .357 Magnum Lever-Action Rifles. Not all rifles need to be used to kill commies. I can (for now) legally own an AR, and do. Metallic silhouette shooters found it both accurate and very good at taking steel plates off a rail. Unfortunately it caught the Remlin disease and had to be sent to the ship for some warranty work. Getting old aint easy. Every bullet tested shot very well, and we did not have any key-holing whatsoever on any of the projectiles. Henry is finally putting out some side loading gate models, while still retaining the muzzle end magazine tube, so as to make them easier and safer to unload. The Mossberg 500 Pump Action Shotgun is one of the most popular home defense shotguns on the market. Gun shows are your salvation. That keeps spent brass out of the eye of the user and today, allowing for easy mounting of a scope. My revolvers and levers arent in .357 Mag. Model 1873 and cowboyskinda synonymous. Since this is a single-shot firearm, there is no potential for flame cutting, and the true potential of this cartridge is realized. If theyll go ahead and put the new loading gate on it (which I expect they will before long) I think Id probably move it straight to the top of the list. by Griff Sat Jul 21, 2012 3:22 pm, Post This is the showpiece among Winchesters 1873 model range, and it had better be with a price tag at around $1,800. My one friend was shooting 158jsp out of his as they shot very well. I would love to have a new Henry Big Boy X in 357 Magnum.. Check out ballisticsbytheinch.com/2011graphs+/223ME.html and ballisticsbytheinch.com/2011graphs+/223ME.html. The chronograph results show it is identical to the 35 Remington. You get the best of both the classic function of a lever gun with modern improvements. https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/lever-action-ballistics-30-30-vs-357-magnum/, The original (factory) Marlin review: Loads for .357 Magnum: (Note: These are near maximum loads, you should use 10% less to start. You have entered an incorrect email address! The round barrel is just 17.4 inches, threaded for a suppressor and features a 1:16 rate of twist. Colt - Python, .357 Magnum. by elmo123 Fri Aug 10, 2012 10:11 pm, Post That stands for International Handgun Metallic Silhouette Association. Risking twice that? https://www.rincolnia.com/images/Public/38SPL_SUPP.mp4. The one that went directly back to gun store was likely 2018 or 2019 but was still new in box. Some additional info on Fury Bullets, Detroit, MI. You can shoot 357 Mags through it. The most Fun guns I own. I think it helps ballistic uniformity in this long, skinny case and slow propellants. Winchester Model 1873. I always assumed it was so you didnt lose your rifle when making a Sabre charge and hauling ass on your horse. Ive never understood the fascination with Black Rifles. Same 357 MAXIMUM 180 gr load in an 18" rifle barrel has a MP= 3111 psi vel 1663 FPS 357 Mag 158 gr 13 gr Win 296 1719 FPS 14" barrel MP= 2586 Should be Ev0-9 safe especially with a Triad Mount. JM Browning did design a lot of the Winchester lever action rifles. I really want to get one in .357 mag. . Slick set up that kept a rifle close to hand and out of sight. Show Only Non-Guns. No mention of primers was made, but I'd expect they used Large Pistol or Large Pistol Magnum, but you might have to e-mail them to find out. SAAMI maximum is 48,000, and in the closed breech guns pressures can be run at the same levels as 5.56 NATO, about 54,000 psi. I think its partly because leverguns are unusual in a sea of sameness, and also because theyve still got a bit of that badass Old West cachet. Best place to find squirrels in in a deer stand with a 30-06. Rimmed cases don't play well with stacked magazines like in the 700 Remington. They only made these two years. Bingo. A Dan Wesson revolver in that caliber based on the heavy duty Dan Wesson 44 Mag frame was offered. Load data for 9 loads in caliber .357 Maximum with .355 . The New Henry Big Boy X models are looking like may be the best value in a New Lever action rifle. I wonder how the rimless version of the .357 Maximumthe .350 Legendwill fare. Not quite as fast but a staple item is 296/110 with 23 gr. Perfect. Rechamber to .357 Maximum or rethroat .357 Magnum factory chamber: Send the TC, CVA, ORHenry BARREL ONLY, and $125 check or money order, total including UPS shipping. Here are the features to watch out for. In short order, there was a Ruger Blackhawk Maximum and ammo to go with it.Ruger was not the only party on the Maximum bandwagon. I was shocked when I found out. Curious that this article features only the most expensive versions of .357 carbines. Really puts a pop in the round. Hard to beat real world experience which is mainly what this site consists of. The one i have now has bllard rifling which is accurate with jacketed or lead bullets. Since the rules have changed again effective this fall I have came up with another case based on the 444 marlin necked to .375 at 1.8 inches long. Here in Ohio legal deer hunting rifle cartridges are straightwall cases from .357 to .50. 1,254 max in one manual . Lots of these 'oddball' wildcats and so on can be found on, http://shootingwithhobie.blogspot.com/2 rguns.html, http://drcfirearmsoutdoors.businesscata tion-rifle, http://www.in.gov/dnr/fishwild/files/fw y_2012.pdf, It is currently Sat Mar 04, 2023 10:00 am. Notify Me When Available. No one currently makes guns chambered in the cartridge.Looking back on the whole incident is very interesting, and there is much to be learned. Bare essentials. Its the truth about guns, not cooking. The "U.S. Rifle, Caliber .30, Model of 1903," better-known as the M1903 Springfield, has become one of the most popular U.S. military small arms to collect. You can also put ketchup on a hot dog, but you shouldnt. It really boils down to max distance, drop, and how much the bullets . Bullets are .357 for jacketed and .358 for lead in diameter. The Gun That Won The West. The resulting airspace does no good. Dies, a dipper set and some components and you are gtg. Even though it was flawed engineering, it was the cartridge that suffered. They were hell bent on making me reload. RETURN POLICY: Intrepid Shooting Sports will accept returns on firearms that arrive other than advertised in the listing. All Types (1000+) allows seating bullets out to create the same case capacity as the published "revolver spec" .357 Maximum loads that have all the bullet shank stuffed into the case, duplicate .350 Legend powder charge weights that should give the same or better ballistics as factory .350 Legend ammo, and. Shop online for discount .357 Remington Max ammunition from top ammo brands like Remington, Federal, Winchester, Hornady, CCI, Speer, and many more. Poppycock; the .357 Magnum is one of the best rounds for personal defense out there. Winchester 1892 Deluxe 357 Magnum Lever-Action Rifle with 24 Inch Octagon Barrel. new No sales CA - NY - know your state laws! I agree. Using bullets from Hornady XTP, Nosler JFP, LSWC, Sierra JHC, Nosler Part. I got a 336BL a couple years ago and I have no complaints. 357 Maximum, 44 mag, and 45 colt. Who needs a semi auto rifle. I really do want a .357 levergunbut Im perfectly confident in my .30-30. A friend has suggested my neophyte inquiry might find assistance here: C2N14 because life is not energetic enough. Back in 05, I bought an Interarms marked Rossi model 92SR off of the used rack at a LGS for $200. Guns can be fun. My standard rule for maximum pressure that I have gone by for over 35 years is to take pressures to the point where a slight crater (ridge) begins to appear around the firing pin indent, then back off to just below that point. Of course, I dont carry it on a single point like the muh AR crowd does. Good item. THE IDEAL TRAINING PLATFORM FOR KIDS. Well I did some research and got the ballistics for commercial .357 Magnum ammunition fired from a rifle. With 125 gr. .30-30 is just a little unpleasant in it due to the light weight and stock. Mark Penrod is one. The .357 Maximum was introduced into commercial production as a joint-venture by Remington Arms Company and Ruger in 1983 as a new chambering for the Ruger Blackhawk. Im sure even more now. Levers are light, easy to carry with quick target acquisition and reliability. The Model X in .357 magnum is super compact with an overall length of just 36.3 inches. plus i have very bad eyes, and kinda need a scope or a red dot to shoot in a relaxed fashion. Thirdly, in ordinary political/economic times .38 and .357 ammo is plentiful, ubiquitous, and affordable. Sellier, who established the company in Prague in 1825 and began manufacturing percussion caps for use in muskets and rifles. And some states (North Carolina) consider that a concealed weapon. There'll be no market for it. About 5 deer have fallen to that rifle/bullet combo, all of the bang-flop's at about 80 yards. Then came panic buying of guns and ammo due to social unrest, and of course its a an election year. Which was ".357 maximum Auto Rimless." The moniker ".357 Max AR" stuck with the round for 3 reasons, 1) it was a 5.56 case expanded to straightwall, maximizing its capacity, 2) it uses load data very similar to the 357 Maximum rimmed revolver cartridge, and 3) the "Max-AR," Auto Rimless, was really only meant for use in AR-15's . It loads long, with a cartridge overall length (COL) of 2.145 inches, well over the published max COL of 1.990 inches. If a customer takes possession of the firearm, Intrepid considers this acceptance of the condition, and will not offer a return. But that being said, your S&W 8 shot Revolver is a nice pistol. Ive wanted one for years. Within a few weeks, the company got so many complaints, they halted production and never resumed. Todays edition also features a falling block safety, so it can be carried loaded. What would be the right bullet? . I bought a used Marlin 94c 357 in June, 2020 for $600, in 98% condition. .357 out of a 20 Henry Big Boy Steel rivals the muzzle energy of a .223 out of an 18 inch. Cloudbuster Thats one reason my dad carried a semi-auto 12 Gauge for whitetails. Designed to increase the range and pattern density of your favorite turkey gun. Velocities can exceed 2,000 fps in a 14-inch barrel, and that could make a hollowpoint bullet intended for .357 Magnum velocities behave like a varmint bullet. The furniture is high grade walnut, and the Deluxe Sporting model also features a 24-inch half octagon barrel and half rounded. My findings are three of us used 357 mag out of 2 Rossi lever at 20 inch and one Marlin with 16.25 to hunt blacktails and elk. Awesome. Given its performance for me in those cases it seems it would make an excellent powder for use in the 357 in rifles. For instance, My 45-90, when I reload the 45/90 case, I only load to mid range 45/70 specs and use toilet paper to make up the case space. : .357" (except where otherwise specified in remarks). I do like the other pistols but somehow I always end up back at one of those two. by Tycer Thu Jul 19, 2012 8:36 pm, Post .44-40. Discussion forums for GunBroker.com users. For some reason it's hard to exceed what 2400 can do in the .357 mag, but H110/W296 and lil gun should also be viable options. Joseph Von Benedikt is with Rafe Nielsen of Browning to take a look at a new X-Bolt series rifle. This is a very efficient cartridge for hunters of medium game animals like deer and hogs. Go for a hike in the woods or mountains and you see deer most times of the year. Order your barrel directly from Match Grade Machine, made however you want with their standard chamber or for $125 additional post paid to you, custom chambered by me, Mike Bellm, to my specs for best accuracy with the full range of bullet weights and types. With the added velocity and muzzle energy, along with the fact that JHP rounds are easily available from any gun store, whereas frangible or JHP rounds for an AR-pattern rifle are harder to source, it makes one of the best home defense long guns possible. Funny, but what popped into my head was Arkansas and Alaska arent benighted states. Because many states have recently enacted hunting laws that allow for straight-case centerfire cartridges, in addition to the previous shotgun slugs only. Also have a Winchester 1886 in 45-90, I shoot 45-70 loads in it and had no issues. Never again Marlin, shouldve bought another Henry. 38 wad cutters and 357 mag, I have a 357 maximum but I dont reload can I buy a box. A couple of decades ago, I had a New England, top-break, single-shot rifle chambered in .357 maximum with naught but iron sights. The old Ford Pickup had that seatback that folded forward. Remington manufactured this impressive cartridge, and still produces new brass for handloaders on occasion. 317 1 Image (s) Ruger Blackhawk .357 Maximum, 1983, 10.5-inch, great bore, 95%, layaway Gun #: 945177475 Seller: Sportsmans Legacy GA Sales: 739 $1,750.00 Full Details 1 Image (s) ROSSI R-92 LEVER RIFLE .357 MAGNUM Gun #: 942851574 Seller: Alpha Omega Services LLC $948.60 Im glad I was able to get what I needed for the time being. The MAGnum case with the bullet seated out holds exactly the same charge weights as factory .350 Legend ammo, 21 to 23 gr.! Good time to start getting ready for the next ammo drought. Unless they went back later to get it they never seemed to care that much. Yeah, what ever it is you want has a magical mystical ability of always being someplace else. And if you do it right, .38 Special or .357 Mag is an incredibly cheap round to reload, with brass that lasts forever and makes a fine alternative to .22LR when plinking ammo is hard to find. Being a straight walled cartridge, its a snap. The.357 Maximum was introduced into commercial production as a joint-venture by Remington Arms Company and Ruger in 1983 as a new chambering for the Ruger Blackhawk. .357 Magnum Rifle (Hodgdon Data) reloading data with 102 loads. A few javelina even took up residence beneath a collapsed radar dish, they just tunneled under the edge and hid out all hunting season. Although a crimp is not required for a single-shot firearm, I crimp anyway. Im still waiting for someone to make a 357 in. But I take your point that a rifle can be usefuland fun. Thats exactly the sort of info i was looking for. Auction (145) Have as much ammo on hand as you can afford. Id buy another Henry in a heartbeat, if my gun safe werent replete with levers already. It is such a joy to shoot! With nice wood It appears to be a rimless 357 Maximum. Guys that do this are, shall we saypreoccupied with velocity, which is usually the product of light bullets and fast-burning powder.I believe that a failure to appreciate the complexities of this cartridge, the bullets available for it and the proper propellants applicable were a major reason why it passed early. Over time, Sellier & Bellot expanded its product line to include rifle cartridges and smokeless powder. And of course my Marlin comes back today from the warranty repair and they still havent fixed the main issue I sent it in for. bullets and 1800 (+) fps from 10" barrels at the short end of barrel lengths. Returns MUST be left with the transferring dealer. Apparently it was a regular thing. ), Muzzleloading Modern & Replica Pistols (flint), Muzzleloading Modern & Replica Pistols (perc), United States Patent Firearms Revolvers/Pistols, Century Arms International (CAI) - Shotguns. rounds border on simply dumb when the .357 Maximum is so much more accurate and easier to shoot accurately with its moderate recoil. The 8 grains of unique seem like fairly hot loads out of the rifle. IMPORTANT NOTE: THROAT LENGTHS IN CUSTOM BARRELS VARY. Cheap factory 158gr LRN is subsonic and stupid quiet for those that are complete hereticslike meand suppress their levers. Model 29 and Marlin stainless 1894 in 44. It didn't quite make it, but still knocked the steel rams down. Everybody wanted to get their hands on my lever-action .30-30, and nobody who shot it was disappointed. Why? If you want to shoot .357 Magnum and .38 Special ammo, just long throat the factory chamber! The .357 Magnum is probably the most widely-used revolver cartridge today, managing to thrive in an era where the wheelguns and associated cartridges are growing scarce. We ballistics types all know sad stories about cartridges that showed great potential but failed shortly after leaving the launch pad. Read today's "The Armed Citizen" entry for real stories of law-abiding citizens, past and present, who used their firearms to save lives. 2023 Outdoor Sportsman Group. His just naturally pointed well, I didnt have to work at all. The .357 Magnum cartridge is based upon Smith & Wesson's earlier .38 Special cartridge. I just read how lever actions were among the first guns carried on single point slings. Very accurate, which makes it very deadly. And one 1886 Winchester 45-70 takedown model, ( rare). JWM, I too would love to have pairs of 357 and 44 mags. Max chambering. Its just not special enough to me for my wallet to cough up the bucks. Not question those who do or did so, cause theres something special about shooting a lever action. Factory .357 Maximum ammo is no longer sold by the big manufacturers, but the folks at Starline offer new brass cases for reloaders. I shoot 38 short. Why wouldnt you want a .357 Magnum lever action rifle? Is taught at the Range! As to market, a very subjective matter. by Hobie Sat Jul 21, 2012 9:59 am, Post 05-25-2020 . The Speer Hot Cor 180 soft point shoots lights out and velocities are over 2200 fps. I really cant eithersure was glad I had 8 30 round mags full of 62 gr 556 as BLM looters were approaching in May. 350 Ledgend vs 357 Rem Max | Bloodydecks Latest posts Offshore They're here!!! Here is a link to an article that may answer some questions. First and foremost is that all the straight-walled cartridges in this article max out at somewhat close range. Midsouth Shooters can supply you with your pistol and rifle ammunition, as well as all of your shooting and reloading supplies. The advantage I see to 357 max is you use 357 mag carbide reloading dies so it is easier to reload and no trimming. The Arena Media Brands, LLC and respective content providers to this website may receive compensation for some links to products and services on this website. The trigger is even really nice for a lever gun and I own a bunch of them. . Such a longer cartridge is a pipe dream until someone steps up and makes a longer revolver cylinder. Fully agree with this. Thats info that will come in handy. Extremely fun to shoot makes them relevant. I told them if they were so worried about reloading they can have my brass. There is an issue in how the hammer and bolt are aligned. As a recap on hand loads, I would suggest that anyone wishing to hunt with the .357 rifle should . Thus sighted, 125 grain +p 38 special is spot on out to about 50 yards, maybe furtherbut havent tried it. It was even out of warranty and they took care of it no charge. .44 Henry rimfire. We cover the 357 MaximumAll you need to know about the 357 Remington Maximum! Your buddys Italian .357 was probably a Chiappa. COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. It is a tough call since their chamber work and mine are so, so close to the same. Do the same during Deer Season, and all the critters have suddenly developed a deep phobia of open meadows you can see from far off. Found a gunsmith who examined it, he got it working again. A real plain looking carbine, but the thing shoots like a dream. Just ask! The late Bill Ruger got interested and set his people to work. Thats what makes them lever action great. And has since been dropped by everyone except TC.. Threaded barrel. The object was to knock down all five targets in two minutes. 11 February 2004, 13:28 dgr416